Tuesday, November 28, 2017

What led to the letdown in Palo Alto?

Irish couldn't deliver. What are some of the reasons? Are they fixable?

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  1. Its fine u wanna go after.Polian, but why not show Todd Light the door, since you want tgree new coaches?
    Changes coaches every year is not the answer, wanna be another nebraska or tennessee?

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  2. Coaching led to the letdown. Brian Kelly is 68-34 take a moment and let that sink in.... yeah that's not good enough for ND! I can only hope they fire him. I will not go to another game nor watch or support in anyway until he's gone.

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    1. Brian Kelly needs to be fired he has proven he cannot coach in division 1 football also they need a quarterback coach

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    2. Facts are we lost to 3 teams in the top 12 of college football, not bad after going 4-8 last year. Having said that, when are we going to start winning at least 2 of those 3 games? I think next years team will be good enough to win 10 games. He needs to go 10-2 with a New Years bowl win. Anything less and Swarbrick will be under fire.

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    3. Well ... we played three teams in the current Top 10 and went 1-2. Not a desirable outcome by any measure, but ... a result that all the top ND coaches since Ara have experienced. And yes ... it comes as part of a dramatic turnaround from last year.

      I think people are understandably tired of Kelly, but the Q remains ... what's the alternative?

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  3. U all sound like Peterson at Nebraska when he fired Solich after a 9-3 season, we need more!!!

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  4. So what do you all want, he wins nearly 70% of his games and has brought us back to being relevant again, relax and find something else to bitch about.
    were not getting urban meyer to coach here

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  5. And look at the high profile programs now searching for coaches ... We hastily fired WIllingham and got stuck with Weis and his inflated contract well after he left.

    Jimbo Fisher had an off-year at FSU, where he experienced a recurrent problem for Kelly - the unexpected loss of his starting QB (that's happened to Kelly 3 times!!!). So impatient FSU fans want him gone ... see how that works out. Kelly won't coach at ND forever, but you need to be smart about these things. It's still the players who have to perform on the field, and with execution, we could have won all three of our losses.

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    1. Couldn't agree more. I certainly wouldn't want to be a college coach anytime soon. If we win our bowl game, you'd be an absolute moron to complain about the football program after turning things around like we did.

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    2. And now that the Season is over, sans Bowls, we're 9-3 with a one-pt loss to the SEC champion and a blow-out win over the PAC champion. And we have road losses to the PAC runner-up and ACC runner-up. That's not a horrible Season, especially if we beat LSU to close it. Right now, Sagarin rates Notre Dame's strength of schedule as #2 amongst all Teams.

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  6. CTND, I think the essential difference is that we are all looking at the same body of evidence and coming to different conclusions about BK.Essentially, you are correct. BK is capable of giving us "not horrible seasons" but that is about it. I have literally zero confidence that BK can deliver ND a major bowl win, let alone a national championship.

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  7. BTS - okay, so what is the deficiency in his coaching that leads to your conclusion? I would say there are six major facets to successful college coaching. (1) Recruiting good athletes, (2) Assembling good coaches, (3) Developing your athletes physically and fundamentally, (4) the design of Offense and Defense, (5) game management, and (6) inspiring your athletes to perform.

    In which of these departments is he fundamentally deficient? And based upon what evidence? Because it seems to me that people who deride him do so based upon anecdotal game and Season results. All of the top coaches have had bad games and off Seasons.

    For Kelly - his off-seasons have principally been a function of having too weak of players, due to inheriting undeveloped players from Weis, injuries and suspensions and his having weak coaches, due to the mistaken acquisition and retention of Van Gorder. But having conceded that - he's shown an ability to recruit good players and hire good coaches. And he's had particularly bad luck with injuries and suspensions at the key position of QB, despite showing ability to recruit good QBs. He has fielded excellent Offensive Play and excellent Defensive Play, and so there is no demonstrable, inherent weakness there.

    The point is that a great season means putting these factors all together in one Season. We went 12-0 in 2012, and that was with a freshman QB. We over-achieved that Season, which led to being overmatched in the Champ game. But compare that to OSU's loss to Clemson last year, which was a worse loss with better talent.

    You seem to be concluding that he cannot put it all together in a Season. This is where I agree with you that we are looking at the same evidence and coming up with different conclusions. I don't see where you have the evidence to support that conclusion. I think he has shown sufficient success in all 6 categories I listed above to put together a great Season.

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